CMOS camera

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  1. Timar

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    Hi everybody,

    I am currently working on variable star photometry.
    I would like to replace my old, 16-year-old SBIG ST-402 ST-1603 CCD camera and my Standalone filter wheel of a similar age.
    I plan to buy a monochrome SBIG STC-428-M Scientific CMOS Camera and a matching filter wheel.
    The problem is that I don't know CMOS cameras. Can photometric measurements of the same quality and accuracy be performed with these as with CCD cameras?
    What can you suggest?
     
  2. Doug

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    We have a version called STC-428-P that is built specifically for photometry, as it includes a filter wheel that accepts standard photometric filters.

    We have many customers using them and producing excellent data.
     
  3. Timar

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    Hi Doug,

    This is a vary important information and even the price of this camera is reasonable. It is especially good that the camera is together with the filter wheel.
    Thank you
    Andras
     
  4. Timar

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    One last question.
    Can I process images taken with an STC-428-P with the MaxIM DL software in the way as images taken with my old CCD camera?

    András
     
  5. Doug

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    Yes, of course. The only difference is that I don't recommend using bias frames / dark frame scaling during calibration. CMOS sensors in general have a tendency to change operating modes with different exposure lengths, so it is best to avoid that practice.
     
  6. Timar

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    I don't really get this. Are you suggesting I don't use dark frame? I always used at least five dark frames/image. Bias is OK, I don't use it.
     
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    No, I'm recommending that you not use bias frames.

    You need to use dark frames. For flat frames you need matching flat-darks.
     
  8. Timar

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    Yes, clear.
    I will buy the camera next week.
    Thanks again for your help.

    Andras
     
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    Dear Doug,

    Sorry to give you so much work, I'm a little ashamed but I still have one more question.
    In the description of the STC-428-P on the website I read that a USB 2.0 could be purchased for the sake of a longer cable length.
    For my instruments approx. 4-5 meters (approx. 13-16 ft) are required for observation. Will the camera work with such a long cable?
     
  10. Doug

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    Yes, USB 2.0 cables will work over that distance. It will be a bit slower to download than with a USB 3.0 cable, but will otherwise work just fine.
     
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    Thank you again
     
  12. Timar

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    Doug,

    As you can see you helped a lot with the choice of camera so I could decide which camera to buy.
    I will order the STC-428-P camera this week.
    However, I would like to make my order accurate.
    I still have four questions that I would like your help with.
    1) Am I right that the price of the STC-428-P camera includes the filter wheel? So, I don't need to buy a separate filter wheel, do I?
    2) Can I choose an AFW 36MM round filter wheel for the STC-428-P camera?
    3) The diameter of the my MEADE telescope focuser’s draw is 2” (50.8 mm). Do I need to buy an adapter to mount the STC-428-P camera? For example “Adapter Plates for Compact Cameras” or something similar.
    4. Is my calculation below correct?

    The total purchase price for the STC-428-P camera with the AFW 36MM round filter wheel is $ 4,499.

    If I also buy a filter set and plus one filter, the calculation is as follows:

    STC-428-P camera (AFW 36MM round filter wheel included) $ 4,499
    36 mm Round Optical Filters LRGB package $ 477
    Clear filter $ 64
    Total: $ 5,040

    Is my above calculation correct?
     
  13. Doug

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    1. Yes, the STC-428-P includes a built-in filter wheel.

    2. No, you can't order the STC-428-P with an AFW wheel; instead you would need to purchase the following:
      STC-428-M $3499
      AFW-16-36R $2199
      ACC14 small format camera to AFW adapter $199
      ACC06 2" nosepiece adapter $129

    3. The STC-428-P comes with a 2" nosepiece.
    As for the pricing, your options are:

    STC-428-P = $4,499.00 + shipping

    or

    STC-428-M + AFW-16-36R + ACC14 + ACC06 = $6026 + shipping

    We're getting out of the business of selling filters, so they're all on sale at https://diffractionlimited.com/inventory-clearout/ . For 36 mm filters we have:

    L $35
    R $75
    G $75
    B $75
    Clear $35

    Total $295
     
  14. Timar

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    Well, now I really have all the information.
    I think I'll stick with the first option, the STC-428-P camera will be suitable with the built-in-filter wheel.
    And I also buy the LRGBClear filters you suggested.

    Thank you again
     
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