SBIG ST-8XE CCD CAMERA help

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  1. Jim Finis

    Jim Finis Standard User

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    Is anybody out there still using one of these cameras or has had experience using one
    I purchased this camera second hand a couple of years ago and bee sitting in the cupboard
    I decided to take it out of storage and use on my GSO RC 10 scope Couple of quick questions
    1. Is there a way of reducing the blooming produced ie. all stars badly over exposed
    2. How to setup the guide chip

    I apologise for the lack of info just trying to see if anyone can help

    Regards
    jim
     
  2. Colin Haig

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    Hi Jim,
    Nice to hear an old piece of hardware is still being used. That said, if you're considering a new CCD, now is the time to do it, as ON Semiconductor (maker of the former Kodak/Truesense CCD sensors) is exiting the CCD business and just doing CMOS as of March 2020. Teledyne e2v and Sony CCD sensors continue to be available into the future.

    1. The KAF-1602E chip has no anti-blooming gates; the sensor is ideal for photometry because of this. The old ST-7XE, ST-8XE, and the ST10 all used non-ABG sensors, ideal for photometry, as the pixel stays linear up to the point where it is full and the electrons spill over into the neighbouring pixels, aka blooming.

    Your option is to decrease the exposure time, telescope aperture, or to combine images shot at multiple exposure lengths. The electron well depth of the KAF-1602 is about 50,000 in normal operation, so you want to limit the exposures to have a high ADU somewhere around 45,000 or so.

    2. Setting up the guide chip is dependent on the software you are using. Is this MaxIm you are using or something else?
    If MaxIm, select SBIG Universal for the Camera 1, and Dual Chip, so that Camera 2 will automatically be set to the internal guide sensor.
    You may have to do some adjustments to the Advanced settings for Camera 1.

    Take a look at the archived version of the manual:
    http://diffractionlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/USBmanRev14.pdf
    Have fun!
     
  3. Jim Finis

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    Hi Colin
    Many thanks for the response
    I'm using Maxim DL Pro version 6.11 do you know if there's any later version of the camera driver for Maxim is there anyway of controlling the Speed cos it's greyed out and says ISO
    I've configured camera 1 and camera 2 and ticked the dual chip mode and I can take manual exposure with Camera 2 , what I'm trying to work out how to setup so it can control the mount
    I notice that the SBIG AO Control panel comes up when the camera is connected the questions:-
    1 Do I need and AO unit to guide or can I just connect an ST4 cable to the Saxon EQ5 Pro GT mount?. About 18 months ago I sold my complete imaging rig as I wasn't using it IE. AP 900 mount with a 3.5" Feather touch focuser and electronic control
    Tak 130 Scope with flattener, Starlight express AO unit and QSI 683 camera so I'm used to using with Maxim
    2. So I'm guessing I'm not going to be able to use the camera without blooming actually I can't take an image even at 2 sec exposure with out blooming so is there some other issue with camera

    I'll try to attach an image which shows the effect on Canopus but also happens on the old favourite of Orion as well

    Again Many thanks CCD Image Canopus -SBIG - ST8 XE.jpg
     
  4. Colin Haig

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    All the manuals and drivers are here for these old cameras:
    http://diffractionlimited.com/support/sbig-archives/

    "Speed" is only used when there is a Digital SLR camera attached to set it's ISO speed, a measure of sensitivity.
    The box that says "Seconds" determines the exposure time - it is the only setting that controls the shutter speed.

    BTW Use Help... Check for Updates to see if there is a newer version of MaxIm available to you. I don't think that has anything to do with your issue, however we're at 6.20, and 6.21 is coming out soon. A lot of improvements have happened over the last few years.

    On the Camera Control Window, Guide tab, is a Settings button that you use to pick the appropriate mount control.
    Click that button, and then you will get a Guide Settings dialog.
    Autoguider Output is the setting you want to change - make sure it is set to Main Relays, as you are using the guider port on the camera to talk to the ST-4 port on your mount.

    It might be worth doing some bedtime reading of the manual.

    You don't need an AO unit to guide.
    The SBIG AO Control panel will come up if you have selected SBIG w/AO instead of SBIG Universal as your driver in MaxIm for the main camera. You want SBIG Universal if you don't have an SBIG AO-7 or AO-8 unit.


    Canopus is the second brightest star at -0.62 mv ! Only Sirius and the Sun are brighter. Not a good choice.
    Of the billions of stars out there, this is nearly the worst you could have picked as a test for the camera.
    It might be good for aiming, such as aligning your camera and finder scope, but certainly not for focusing or as a good target star.
    Try something less than visual magnitude mv=6. eg your eye can just see it. Better yet, go for something fainter like mv=10, as the camera is on a light bucket, not a small refractor.
    Have fun!
     
  5. Jim Finis

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    Hi Colin,
    Many thanks for taking out the time to reply.
    I'll persevere with the setup at this stage, I'm trying to get accurate alignment points, hence the bright stars.
    I might try CCDOps as it seems to have more control over the camera
    Wishing you and all a Very Merry Festive Season

    Jim
     

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