STXL-16200: difference in noise - why?

Discussion in 'STX and STXL Series Cameras' started by EricC, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. EricC

    EricC Cyanogen Customer

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    For the last year or so some of my images using the same bias, dark, and flat frames show significantly different noise levels, even when take one after the other.
    A summary image showing the effect is here: https://eccssw.com/AstroIssues/Noise/ as are the raw and calibrated FIT files.

    When I apply PixInsight's "Linear Defects Correction" to remove the bad columns that aren't removed by the darks, the "noisy" images that are to be integrated have pattens - different shapes and sizes of boxes, for example.

    Sequence Generator Pro was used for image capture. No settings were changed between shots.

    The camera is one of the first STXL-16200. Is it possible something in the camera is going flaky?
     
  2. Doug

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    Download links are not valid.
     
  3. EricC

    EricC Cyanogen Customer

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    You have to right-click on the links and select "save link as" (or equivalent for your browser).
     
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    That's what I did. Download links are not valid.

    You get a 50 byte file containing only the following:

    Not sure where you're going, but you're not there!​
     
  5. EricC

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    Interesting. Must be different browsers since I could right click and download it.
    Regardless, I added a MIME type for fits to the server. When I left click on a link now it brings up the downloads dialog box.

    The "Not sure where..." message is my 404 message.
     
  6. Doug

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    I tried Edge and Chrome. Anyway... fixed now.

    Can you provide raw dark frames for each image?
     
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    I uploaded the dark and flat masters which were used by both frames.
    https://eccssw.com/AstroIssues/Noise/

    If it makes any difference, the sensor (Class 1) has a lot more column defects now than it did a year ago and a much more pronounced dark band at the top 1/3 than it had when new.
    Thanks in advance for looking at this.
     
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    I can't use images processed by PixInsight; it does weird scaling to them. I wanted a raw dark frame.

    Also, I recommend reshooting your darks periodically. Sensors will gradually accumulate cosmic ray damage, resulting in new hot pixels. Taking fresh calibration frames periodically will help mitigate that effect.
     
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    @Doug, I added a "Single Dark Frame".

    I have newer darks and regularly take them. I looked for two images using the same dark master that were taken back-to-back where one had lots of noise and the other didn't, and the first example is what I used.

    I didn't know about cosmic ray damage - that's interesting, thanks.
     
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    I'm not really seeing an increase in noise on one frame compared to the other, doing a simple dark frame subtraction. Images can often look noisier or smoother if they aren't contrast stretched on the display the same way. Going by the numbers I don't see much there.

    I think you will benefit by making a new calibration set. Personally I redo them every few months.
     

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