Resolved Firmware 9 update failed on STC-7

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  1. John Fodermaier

    John Fodermaier Standard User

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    When upgrading from firmware 8 to firmware 9, everything proceeded normally util about hafway through the upload. Then I got an "upload failed - flash corrupted" error. Now the camera is not accessible. Is there a way to force the re-write?? A jumper somewhere perhaps??
     
  2. Doug

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    If you power-cycle the camera, it should revert to an old firmware release. Then you can try again.
     
  3. John Fodermaier

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    Nope. STC-7 does not appear in DLAPI Config at all. The StarChaser shows up as normal. No STC-7. I tried a clean install of DLAPI on a different computer, different cables, etc. No Luck.
    If the upload fails halfway through, I don't think the old Rev will be there either. Gotta be some way to get it back to factory default or to force an upload of the firmware, either 8 or 9. Right now, I have and expensive paperweight.
    Thanks,
     
  4. Colin Haig

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    The camera has backup firmware in it to prevent exactly the failure you are talking about.
    Check the Windows Device Manager to see if the SBIG Camera is listed under USB devices.
    Let us know what you see.
    Nobody has every bricked one of the STC family of cameras.
     
  5. Doug

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    Should not be possible to brick it unless you attempted to upload an invalid firmware file.

    I'll as @Adam to have a look.
     
  6. John Fodermaier

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    So - SBIG Camera shows up under USB devices. However, it does not show up in DL Config Utility.
    Like I said, the upload failed about halfway through. Camera has been AWOL since.
    Did the firmware update the same way I did the last two. Same computer, same cable, same everything...
    If it shows up in USB devices, how do you get control for the upload??
     
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    So - still standing by... Any further thoughts??
     
  8. Adam Robichaud

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    Hi John,

    Would I be able to log in and take a look? There are only a few ways a camera could become unresponsive after a firmware update, and I need to see what's happening in order to understand it.

    -A
     
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    Be happy to have you take a look. I can send you a TeamViewer link or whatever you use. I have an 11 am Eastern appointment today, but I can be home by 2:00 pm Eastern. Let me know at [REDACTED]
     
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    Hi John,

    I had a chat with the production team about the tools they use to program the board before the FPGA's been flashed, and it won't be possible to upload firmware to the camera without our programming environment. There's a required hardware component that we won't be able to get around.

    It looks like the only way forward would be to ship the camera back for service.

    -A
     
  11. Colin Haig

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    John, Adam and I had an idea. Would you be available Monday or Tuesday for me to remote in, possibly saving a repair trip?
     
  12. John Fodermaier

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    I am available any day from 8-10:30 Eastern time. Other times I can possibly make arrangements to miss a little bit of the class I teach...
     
  13. Colin Haig

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    Hi John let's schedule for 9:30am tomorrow (Tuesday).
    I'll need you to have your computer powered up with the camera attached but powered off.
    Please download and run this remote access utility when you are ready:
    https://www.realvnc.help/
    Send a Private Message with your phone number, by clicking the link under my photo at left.
     
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    This is now resolved.
    Tips to prevent trouble for future firmware updates:
    (a) Make sure to use a short USB 3 cable to the BACK of the computer to ensure reliable communication.
    The supplied cable works fine when plugged into a USB3 cable on the back; on the front of the PC case, that may add another couple of feet of wire and go beyond USB3 specs.
    (b) Make sure the PC is running in a high performance mode so that it does not go to sleep / power saving mode in the middle of a firmware update
    (c) Ensure you have latest BIOS updates, device driver updates from the computer manufacturer (eg Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, etc.)
    (d) Check the following articles for recommendations:
    Fixing issues with Windows:
    https://forum.diffractionlimited.com/threads/windows-10-tune-up-fixing-pc-issues.8196/
    https://forum.diffractionlimited.co...connects-turn-off-usb-selective-suspend.7848/
    https://forum.diffractionlimited.co...talling-microsoft-visual-studio-runtime.9001/

    All good now. Camera was updated to latest firmware without coming in for repair.
     
  15. Doug

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    I've been saying this for years, ever since I started working with USB 2.0: Do NOT use the front USB ports on a PC for anything other than memory sticks!!!

    The internal cabling is not just adding length, it's adding very bad impedance discontinuities. Almost all computer vendors use cheap wire and cheap connectors that don't maintain a consistent 90 ohm impedance, resulting in signal reflections that degrade the data integrity significantly. You can get away with that when using a very short cable, but not with a long cable at high data rates. That's why a memory stick will work but a camera on a long cable will not.
     

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